Detroit--and reverse Jim Crow makes a return

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tmretiredRegistered UserPosts: 16(9/29/04 17:18)

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Detroit--and reverse Jim Crow makes a return

(Title of News Piece) Detroit council OKs plan that touts racial separation September 21, 2004

BY MARISOL BELLO
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

A majority of the Detroit City Council wants to implement an economic development plan it commissioned for $112,000 that preaches racial isolation and rails against immigration in its bid to gain economic success for poor blacks.

The crux of the plan is the creation of a business district -- dubbed African Town -- that would be funded in part with city money and made up of black-owned businesses catering to a black clientele.The report also complains that immigrants from Mexico, Asia and the Middle East are stealing resources, jobs and other opportunities from blacks and calls on city leaders to stop the economic shift.

The report does not call on the city to stop immigration -- and the city wouldn't have any power to stop it, even if it wanted to -- but the report does call on the city to level the playing field between blacks and the newcomers who it says are economically surpassing them."We see this as another compliment to the exciting development going on in the city," said Councilwoman JoAnn Watson, who introduced the effort to the council earlier this summer.

The plan is under scrutiny by some city leaders and economic development experts who question the legality of an effort meant to help only one race. Some officials decry the council's efforts as threatening to reverse strides made in the region to improve race relations and the city's relationship with its neighbors.

Such a plan also could further alienate efforts by Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick to seek regional cooperation and funding for major projects, such as an expansion and renovation of Cobo Center.

One official calls it outright racist."It's reverse racism," said Kay Everett, one of two councilwomen who voted against the plan. The other council member who rejected the plan was Sheila Cockrel."This is foolish," Everett said. "They don't understand. They're not thinking of the city as a whole. We need to bring harmony to this city, and if we say that we do not want any other people here, then we're being racist."Council members who voted for the plan are quick to say they are not against immigrants.

They say the city must act to help blacks, who more than any other ethnic group in the United States suffer from high levels of poverty, unemployment and school dropout rates.

Kilpatrick vetoed efforts by the council in July to implement the plan, but last week the mayor met with the plan's creator, Claud Anderson, a former Detroiter who had unsuccessfully applied for a casino license. He is also the author of popular books about the economic state of blacks in the country.

Kilpatrick officials said they did not sign any agreements with Anderson, but they are working to help him find land for a business district. So far, they have been unsuccessful.

A mayoral spokesman said that while the meetings were not an endorsement of the politics behind Anderson's plans, the mayor sees merit in the portions of the plan that are focused on creating jobs and increasing the number of black-owned businesses in the city."As they do with any potential investors, the mayor and his development team will continue to evaluate any economic development proposal presented to the city as part of its ongoing efforts to grow Detroit," said mayoral spokesman Howard Hughey."This administration is committed to improving the social and economic conditions, not only of African Americans, but also other traditionally disadvantaged groups."He said the administration is against the council's efforts to institutionalize a system that only helps blacks to the exclusion of other races. The council will find it difficult to implement its plan without the mayor's approval.The report, "A Powernomics Economic Development Plan for Detroit's Under-Served Majority Population," says inner cities should be improved for its residents, who should own and control the businesses in their neighborhoods.

He calls on blacks to support black-owned businesses, in the same way he says other groups frequent stores owned by people of their own ethnicities.

The report also says integration has failed blacks and that regionalism is a bid by whites to control the city's resources. Anderson warns city leaders to beware of non-blacks moving into the city because they will have their own agendas.

Anderson says his theories are not racist, but they are honest.He said the city is bordering on an economic crisis, with 26 percent of the city's population living below the poverty line."The biggest problem in the city of Detroit -- and it's true of all urban areas -- are black leaders and white leaders who continue to use and hide behind the myth of a color-blind and race-neutral society and use it as an excuse not to deal with this dilemma," Anderson said."There are special problems unique to black folks, and the city needs to address their problems."Detroit is the first city to begin to implement his Powernomics philosophy, Anderson said. He wants to create a business district for blacks, like Mexicantown or Greektown, that would include a fish factory with its own hatchery, black hair-care supplier, popcorn factory and fruit juice producers.He said he has some investors lined up to help with such a project, but he would not reveal their names.

The executive director of the Initiative for a Competitive Inner City, a Boston-based nonprofit created by a Harvard University business professor, said the council is right to want to implement a plan to help blacks become entrepreneurs.

But the director, Anne Habiby, said black-business ownership is not a panacea, especially if there are no plans in place to help the business owners succeed. The initiative is in talks with Detroit to work as a consultant on economic development issues.

Habiby said Detroit has suffered so much population loss that its future success depends on more people moving into the city."Detroit must be an attractive place for people to live," Habiby said. "It's shortsighted for city leaders to create an environment that feels unwelcoming."Activists in the Hispanic and Arab communities say the city should work to help African Americans, but they said they worry that if the plan is seen as a race-based solution, it may deepen rifts between ethnic groups."I do think it's the city leadership's duty to work with the community and no doubt, the priority is African Americans," said Imad Hamad, Michigan director of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee. "We have to go by the makeup of the community. ... My concern here is that it depends how people read it or react to it."One Hispanic business leader said the city should open its doors to all ethnic groups.

She said the Mexican community has been part of the city since the early 1900s. Hispanics account for 5 percent of the city's population."There's a lot going on in the city of Detroit, and if there is a need for an African Town, go for it," said Maria Elena Rodriguez, president of the Mexicantown Community Development Corporation. "But we should not be knocked for trying to get a seat at the table."And John Carroll, who heads the Detroit Regional Chamber of Commerce, said like it or not, the city and the suburbs are tied together."We think it's not a good option to pursue," he said.

But seven of nine council members did. They voted in July to begin implementing parts of Anderson's plan, including a resolution that designates blacks, who make up 83 percent of Detroit's population, as the "majority minority" group and another that creates a development corporation that would operate as a loan fund exclusively for black entrepreneurs.

The mayor vetoed both resolutions, but the same council members overrode the veto.

Councilwoman Cockrel, who supported the mayor's veto, said: "I'm not prepared to support an economic development strategy that has the unintended consequences of pitting people against each other.

At the end of the day ... the plan ... advocates exclusionary classifications and illegal set-asides that only serve to divide and polarize within the city and the region.

And we have plenty of that already."

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African Town? 'Majority minority"?

Lets call thgis plan what it is--it's leagalized racism.

It may have been passed by the Coincil , however it will be struck down the second it gets to a court.

Can you imagine the bile of these Detroit Coincil members in passing such a vile racist bill as this?

In effect what they are calling for is Jim Crow for everyone else except blacks. If Detroit can pass its Africantown program--a program that exculdes all groups except blacks, when will it pass laws on where all excluded groups can live,whom they can marry,and what public facilities they can use?

The larger question is why has this not been front page news?

wHERE IS THE BREATHLESS Ted Kopple,and Peter Jennings et.al?

No mentionin the national news pages of the NY Times--no op-ed mention either?Are the major networks and the natioanl paper of record for racial economic gerrymanding--silly me of course they are.

What Detriot did in passing this "Powernomics" nonsense is stab at the heart of the Constitution--plain and simple---they just tore up the equal protection and civil rights sections of the Constitution--and the national press is as quite as the grave.

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SinkingShipRegistered UserPosts: 24(9/30/04 2:59)

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Re: Detroit--and reverse Jim Crow makes a return

Okay... let me get this straight? An asian family, right off the boat speaking NO english, can scrape together the money to open a business in a drug infested, high crime ghetto... where the entire family participates and works 16 hour days (with the kids actually going to school while learning english at the same time) while constantly suffering the abuse and violence of the local residents, all in pursuit of the American dream and making a better life for them and their children.... but this is wrong to do in a black neighborhood?

So why don't the local residents just do it then?

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CalRegistered UserPosts: 288(9/30/04 3:36)

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where the entire family participates and works 16 hour days
See thats it.

They work.

I dont mean to disparage everyone from a certain group, but there does seem to be a high percentage of "blame someone else" and "give me the guvment cheese" over working you a$$ off to better your life.

As for the taking jobs bit, I have a somewhat topical story from college:

Student: Its not fair, they come across the border and take our jobs.

Professor: Do you want to pick strawberries for $5/hr 9+ hours a day?

Student: No.

Professor: Do you know anyone who would?

Student: No.

Professor: Then whos jobs are they really taking?

If Detroit wants to see just how successful an "African" retail area is, why not look at Africa? I mean can you imagine "Blue light special on Isle 6, get a pygmy frier for only 159.99"

Its hard to hear the argument that certain people cant get ahead in society when they seem hell bent for leather to be their own society and not work with anyone else.

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VikingasRegistered UserPosts: 18(9/30/04 9:41)

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Jim Crow is alive and well in America

Jim Crow is alive and well.

Drug laws weren’t enforced until after integration and the aftermath of the Civil Rights movement.

Low law enforcement areas are going to be America’s downfall.

I am talking about the pits of despair too many inner city and downtown areas have become in America.

Just over 20 years ago I was in a known downtown Mafia breakfast hangout in Springfield, Massachusetts.

Mafia guy to cop in Alfredo’s: “I thought you were going to keep the Moolies on their side? They are block up from where they’re supposed to be. They’re selling drugs on the Italian side. Either you do something or we’re going to do something, and you’ll probably not like our method”

Cop in uniform: “Okay, I’ll take care of it.”

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Minority drug dealers and users are later nailed as felons which limits them for life and keeps them down and out.

Crime watch areas are low law enforcement areas.

Armed Revenue collectors, Police, go after those that are bringing the neighborhoods up economically and can give residents a boost into the White Suburbs.

So property and investors and small business owners are the number one target of police, not criminals and drug dealers.

Jim Crow can't be secretly enforced unless those that aid and abet White Trash and Minorities are put down and taken out by being fined, fee'd, ruined, and having their property taken by a bank or under a nuisance statute where property can be taken if cops actually arrest criminals for criminal behavior downtown.

Take down landlords and small business owners downtown of any color and the invisible lines are still in place and long live, JIM CROW in the Peoples Republik of Hypocrania, USA.

If something was done in the initial stages there would not be so many minorities in prison.

Prison is birth control and containment for minorities.

The way drug laws are enforced minorities have a very small chance of ever living in the ‘White’ suburbs.

There you go, it’s Jim Crow.

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Jim Crow is alive and well in modern America: FreeSpeech.com post
(warning: has graphic racist cartoon)

Drug dealer shoots pig in head with illegal gun chop pig up downtown: (post)
(warning: graphic photos of severed pig's head and feet)

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SinkingShipRegistered UserPosts: 25(9/30/04 14:04)

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Re: Jim Crow is alive and well in America

Sooooo anyway..... as we were saying... it's just too bad certain people would rather sit on a stoop all day drinking malt liquor and smoking weed while b!tch!ng about how they can't get a break while others are working so hard to make a difference and get to a better place in life.

Let them have their own neighborhoods.... hell, give them an entire state to run. It'll be another violent and depressed area in no time.

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VikingasRegistered UserPosts: 22(9/30/04 16:59)Reply Edit
Cops cause crime areas to be crime areas
It is attitudes like yours that keep, “Separate and Unequal” alive in this country.Women and minorities weren’t given or would have never gotten the vote had they not fought for it.When cops feel certain residents and neighborhoods don’t DESERVE protection and service you get a bad neighborhood.Almost no policing is needed in the suburbs so those residents may never know rude, sloppy service, being threatened by police for calling and complaining, and may never know how badly disciplined and wasteful certain members of “the live off our backs in taxes,” such as police officers can be.If you own a home or a small business in most downtown areas you need adequate police protection and service to prosper and in some cases to just survive.Police officers serve, protect, and investigate based on their biases and whims. Police answer to each other and couldn’t give a rat’s behind on what most taxpayers think.If we had the power behind the paycheck in overseeing police maybe we'd get the respect, protection and service we work AND ARE PAYING FOR. We possibly spend more than half of everyday working to PAY TAXES.We were taught communism, fascism, and living in a police state was bad and how good, etc. America was all the way up through schools.It looks like America has a corporate brand of Socialism, and after 9-11 we do live in a POLICE STATE as police have more power and less oversight than ever before, which is a dangerous combination.So whenever I see a crime area, vacant buildings, and misery, I know that it is a place the police feel they don’t have to do any work in, except as little as possible, allowing those that are perceived as 2nd class or not worthy, to be contained in misery.Label someone a felon and they are down and out and controlable for life. Their life is only a phone call away from being ruined forever, thrown back in a hole. __________Who am I talking about that has the power to allow someone to own a home, business, or even to date?Answer: Members of an almost exclusively White male club, think White Trash and minorities don’t deserve a way up and out, and don’t deserve any respect, quality of life, nor the services and protection of those, deemed by themselves, superior to all the lesser humans. Yes, there are minorities and women in the ranks, but home much influence do they really have if they get ‘mouthy’.That attitude is so pervasive in your blog, that a civilian reading it, or I would think most, after reading enough of it, realize that most of you guys have to be put on a much tighter leash.Talking about blanket parties (groups of officers beating an object of their infection) and having a get together “For Coffee” when directed towards a civilian, it means to be threatened with keeping quiet or suffering the consequences.I have said enough on this blog that if I told members of this blog an exact location and what time I’d be there in NYC, I could expect a large group of officers wanting to get a look at me … and well beyond …After writing about drugs being sold off my property, vandalism, and the lack of police doing anything about it as their most common excuse was, “We don’t serve landlords and neither do the courts,” and for proposing Civilian Oversight of Police to elected officials, I still didn’t get any protection and service from Connecticut State Police.But, when my name went over the radio any cop in a car within a half hour of my location would come. There were enough cops and cruisers to look like a riot was occurring in front of my 3 and 5 Church St., Stafford Springs, CT, 3 and 4 family houses. The dispatcher had to yell at the cops over the radio to go on their calls for accidents, domestic disputes, etc. They would stare me down and tell me to go back where I came from and to shut my mouth, “Or else.”I’m sure if it wasn’t a time of video cameras I would have been hung from a tree in my front yard and it would be ruled a ‘suicide’ I got the modern version of hanging as Trooper sloppily committed perjury after they had one of their informants stalk, threaten, harass, and jump me one night I came home late from work to arrest just me. For that I went to prison and was told to leave Connecticut or get more prison when I was released.I was one of the few productive people in a downtown area and I was harassed and more viciously targeted than rapists, thieves, vandals, drug dealers, prostitutes, or any other criminal other than a cop killer, for having a “Big Mouth”


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FreeSpeech.com (http://www.freespeech.com) posts relating to above subject:


"Instant Misery, Just Add Connecticut"
http://www.freespeech.com/archives/001654.html

"Downtown America, why are so many, criminal breeding grounds and pits of despair?"
Jim Crow is alive and well in modern America. Graphic racist cartoon in below link.
http://www.freespeech.com/archives/001883.html

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You Know you're from New York When...

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commander12Registered UserPosts: 138(9/29/04 14:31)

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You Know you're from New York When...

YOU KNOW YOU'RE FROM NEW YORK WHEN...

YOU RIDE IN A SUBWAY CAR WITH NO AIR CONDITIONING JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE SEATS AVAILABLE.

YOU AND THE OTHER THREE PASSENGERS LOOK AT EACH OTHER AND KNOW YOU HAVE PURE GRIT.

YOU TAKE THE TRAIN HOME AND YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE ON THE PLATFORM THE DOORS WILL OPEN THAT WILL LEAVE YOU RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE EXIT STAIRWAY.

YOU KNOW WHAT A "REGULAR" COFFEE IS.

IT'S NOT MANHATTAN, IT'S THE "CITY".YOU GET UPSET THAT A CABBIE IS OBEYING ALL THE RULES OF THE ROAD.

YOU'RE WILLING TO TAKE IN STRANGE PEOPLE AS ROOMMATES SIMPLY TO HELP PAY THE RENT.

THERE IS NO NORTH AND SOUTH. IT'S "UPTOWN" OR "DOWNTOWN."

IF YOU'RE REALLY FROM NEW YORK YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CONCEPT OF WHERE NORTH AND SOUTH ARE....

AND EAST OR WEST IS "CROSSTOWN.

"YOU CROSS THE STREET ANYWHERE BUT ON THE CORNERS AND YOU YELL AT CARS FOR NOT RESPECTING THE FACT.

YOU MOVE 8,000 MILES AWAY, SPEND 10 YEARS LEARNING THE LOCAL LANGUAGE AND PEOPLE STILL KNOW YOU'RE FROM BROOKLYN THE MINUTE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH.

YOU RETURN AFTER 10 YEARS AND THE FIRST FOODS YOU WANT ARE A "REAL" PIZZA AND "REAL" BAGEL.

A 500 SQUARE FOOT APARTMENT IS LARGE.

YOUR CO-WORKER COMMUTES 45 MINUTES BY TRAIN TO A 2,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE IN THE SUBURBS THAT WAS THE SAME PRICE AS THAT SAME 500 SQUARE FOOT APARTMENT OF YOURS THAT TAKES ONLY 35 MINUTES TO GET TO AND YOU THINK HE'S A SUCKER.

YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN ALL THE DIFFERENT RAY'S PIZZAS.

YOU ARE NOT UNDER THE MISTAKEN IMPRESSION THAT ANY HUMAN BEING WOULD BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND A P.A. ANNOUNCEMENT ON THE SUBWAY.

YOU KNOW WHO DR. Z IS.

YOU HAVE AT LEAST 50 MENUS IN YOUR APARTMENT, TWO THIRDS OF WHICH YOU HAVE NEITHER ORDERED FROM NOR EVEN HEARD OF.

YOU WOULDN'T BOTHER ORDERING PIZZA IN ANY OTHER CITY.

YOU KNOW THAT OFF-THE-SHELF INSECTICIDES ARE JUST LAUGHING GAS TO THE SUPERIOR ROACHES COHABITATING WITH YOU IN THE 500 SQUARE FOOT APARTMENT.

YOU GET READY TO ORDER DINNER EVERY NIGHT AND MUST CHOOSE FROM THE MAJOR FOOD GROUPS: CHINESE, ITALIAN, MEXICAN OR INDIAN.

YOU'RE NOT IN THE LEAST BIT INTERESTED IN GOING TO TIMES SQUARE ON NEW YEAR'S EVE.

YOUR INTERNAL CLOCK IS PERMANENTLY SET TO KNOW WHEN ALTERNATE SIDE OF THE STREET PARKING REGULATIONS ARE IN EFFECT.

YOU KNOW WHAT A BODEGA IS.

YOU KNOW HOW TO FOLD THE NEW YORK TIMES IN HALF, VERTICALLY, SO THAT YOU CAN READ IT ON THE SUBWAY OR BUS WITHOUT KNOCKING OFF OTHER PASSENGER'S HATS.

SOMEONE BUMPS INTO YOU, AND YOU CHECK FOR YOUR WALLET.

YOU DON'T EVEN NOTICE THE NICE LADY WALKING DOWN THE ROAD HAVING A PERFECTLY NORMAL CONVERSATION WITH HER SELF.

YOU PAY "ONLY" $230 A MONTH TO PARK YOUR CAR.

YOU CRINGE AT HEARING PEOPLE PRONOUNCE HOUSTON ST. LIKE THE CITY IN TEXAS.

THE PRESIDENTIAL VISIT IS A MAJOR TRAFFIC JAM, NOT AN HONOR.

FILM CREWS ON YOUR BLOCK ANNOY YOU, NOT EXCITE YOU. (THEY TAKE UP ALL THE PARKING SPACES!)

YOU CAN NAP ON THE SUBWAY AND NEVER MISS YOUR STOP.

YOU LOOK FORWARD TO RIDING THE SUBWAY TO READ THE NEXT INSTALLMENT OF "MARISOL AND JULIO".

THE DELI GUY GIVES YOU A STRAW WITH ANY BEVERAGE YOU BUY, EVEN IF IT IS BEER.

YOU MAY AIR HEARTFELT GRIPES AND COMPLAINTS ABOUT YOUR CITY, BUT HEAVEN HELP ANY VISITORS WHO DIS' YOUR CITY.

THAT'S NEW YORK, BABY!

YOU GOTTA LOVE IT.

IF YOU ARE A TRUE NEW YORKER SEND THIS TO EVERYONE, LIKE YOURSELF

thought you might enjoy a good laff, a buddy gave me this.

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ProudPDRegistered UserPosts: 1545(9/29/04 14:55)

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Stand by the bubble gum

commander 12

"YOU TAKE THE TRAIN HOME AND YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE ON THE PLATFORM THE DOORS WILL OPEN THAT WILL LEAVE YOU RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE EXIT STAIRWAY."

They are all good but the one above had my wife and I cracking up.

You nailed me on the head. I have it down to the inch - right where the crack is on the metal edging. lol lol

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dinosaurRegistered UserPosts: 677(9/29/04 15:18)

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Re: Stand by the bubble gum

I think we went through this one before. Bagels? Nah but pizza?

Cardboard sh1t in the sticks.

Peas and carrots in the chinese food, ugh animals, the Italian sausage tastes strangely like kielbasa and wtf, and who cares what a pierogi is.

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retguyRegistered UserPosts: 228(9/29/04 19:31)

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commander

you got this one from mattys roomate didnt you?

YOU'RE WILLING TO TAKE IN STRANGE PEOPLE AS ROOMMATES SIMPLY TO HELP PAY THE RENT.

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ProudPDRegistered UserPosts: 1551(9/29/04 22:40)

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Must be outside spot.

"YOU PAY "ONLY" $230 A MONTH TO PARK YOUR CAR. "WOW!!!!

Email me with the location so nobody else beats me to the place. lol

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CalRegistered UserPosts: 290(9/30/04 3:52)

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cities

Amusing list. Care to guess where this is?

- Your co-worker tells you she/he has 8 body piercings but none are visible.

- You make over $100,000 and still can't afford a house.

- You take a bus and are shocked at two people carrying on a conversation in English.

- You can't remember ... is pot illegal?

- You've been to more than one baby shower that has two mothers and a sperm donor.

- You have a very strong opinion where your coffee beans are grown and can taste the difference between Sumatra and Ethiopian.

- A really great parking space can move you to tears.

- You assume every company offers domestic partner benefits.- Your child's 3rd grade teacher has two pierced ears, a nose ring and is named "Breeze." And, after telling that to a friend, they still need to ask if the teacher is male or female.

- A man walks on MUNI in full leather regalia and crotch less chaps. You don't notice.- A woman walks on MUNI with live poultry. You don't notice.

- You know that any woman with a George Clooney haircut is not a tourist.

- You keep a list of companies to boycott.

- Your hairdresser is straight, your plumber is gay, the woman who delivers your mail is straight and your Mary Kay Lady is a guy in drag.

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Detroit--and reverse Jim Crow makes a return
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Proposed Curfew in NYC

Patrolman85Registered UserPosts: 1(9/28/04 17:32)Reply
The City Council's Latest Idea (aka Citywide Curfew)
Two members of the City Council now reviving old legislation and want to make it an offense for a person under age 18 to be allowed outside between midnight and 6 am. If this passes all the "little kiddies" will have to go back to the S/H and wait until their parents show up, or, and this is just brillant, GET DRIVEN HOME BY A MOS. Then, the parents get to receive a summons for letting the kids out of the house without supervision. As great a tool as this could be for clearing corners, parks etc there is no manpower to utilize it. Imagine taking a sector car out of service for this, especially in the "A" houses. Now, as everyone knows, there really isn't any legitimate reason for a fourteen year old to be out in the park or the street at 2 am. For the most part they're there to get high, drink Old English/Colt .45 and engage in other...ahem...questionable activities. But how the hell do they think this is going to be enforced with Dept. manpower being what it is? Oh, well. The powers that be will probably just turn it into another quota ("I want you to write five parents a month... ) The link, in case anyone is interested, is as follows: http://www.ny1.com/ny/TopStories/SubTopic/index.html?topicintid=1&subtopicintid=1&contentintid=43700
SW4747Registered UserPosts: 89(9/28/04 17:36)Reply
Re: The City Council's Latest Idea (aka Citywide Curfew)
Not that I don't agree that no 8-18 year old has a valid reason for handing out in the streets at insanely late hours, but I can't see how such a law would be constitutional.
Patrolman85Registered UserPosts: 2(9/28/04 17:45)Reply
True
You might have a point there about it being Unconstitutional (and I'm not certain that it is, as there are arguments to be made on both sides) but since when has the law (even the Supreme Law of the Land) stood in the city's way? Just look at our gutless Mayor and his illegal (a federal felony, I might add) sanctuary policy when it comes to illegal immigrants here in NYC. Besides, the city would probably argue "a compelling state interest." Nevermind that those words are no where to be found in the Constitution. Besides I'm sure all the so-called community boards and their members will agitate in favor of the measure since it will (theoretically) get all the noisy/high/drunk/loitering/vandalizing/roaming kids off the street. We'll see I guess.
Edited by: Patrolman85 at: 9/28/04 17:48
ProudPDRegistered UserPosts: 1539(9/28/04 18:26)Reply
Not My Chillin'
Patrolman 85"Besides I'm sure all the so-called community boards and their members will agitate in favor of the measure since it will (theoretically) get all the noisy/high/drunk/loitering/vandalizing/roaming kids off the street."Sorry but I really disagree with you. I don't see community boards in ghetto areas approving any laws that will bring their innocent little chillin in contact with the police any more than is necessary.I wrote about this some time ago. I predict that the power of community boards will grow over the coming years and that one day you will see "hole in the wall" areas in the city.For example, areas that will not permit arrests of juveniles for GLA, Possession of Marijuana etc, etc. I can just see an RMP from the 104 chasing a GLA up to the border of the 83 and then having to call off the chase because the driver "appeared to be under the age of 17."You can laugh all you want just as I laughed when a friend of mine got up and spoke about the coming problems with community boards and education almost 30 years ago. Are you laughing now?How about having Community Boards interview all police officers that are supposed to work in their area and determining whether they want them there or not?
Door KickerRegistered UserPosts: 728(9/28/04 18:38)Reply
Cur-few
We have a curfew law here in LA.No one under 18 can be out past 2200 hrs. It is a misdemeanor crime that can be written on the equivalent of a C-summons. The juvie gets summonsed, not the parent. Although in court, I believe the parent can get banged some how by the Judge.It's a great tool to get into someone's pockets (PC) or just to clear the corners.
dinosaurRegistered UserPosts: 676(9/29/04 6:19)Reply
Re: Cur-few
"Yo 5-0, you violatin my midnight b-ball rights suckah!"
12XpdRegistered UserPosts: 3(9/29/04 14:54)Reply
what happens
Ok so I'm on a 75-juve returning this little curfew breaker home. I speak to the parent, run the idea lookie we've got an open warrent ok. so the mother is 1 under and the child has to go back and then be taking to a safe house. woohoo this is frickin great.
ProudPDRegistered UserPosts: 1546(9/29/04 15:11)Reply
Oh No!!!! Not Again
This whole business about taking a kid home is about as volatile as pulling the pin on a grenade.I remember a rookie asking me “Sarge, what’s the biggest difference in the job since you came on.” I thought about a number of things but I finally said to him: ‘The way we handle juveniles. I can remember when a kid would pull some minor thing and we would take the kid home and when the door opened the parent would yell ‘why is a police officer bringing you home?’ Today when you try to do the right thing and bring a kid home, the door opens and the parent yells ‘why the hell you got my son by his neck?’So after time, cops didn't think about doing the right thing, they just processed the kid like any other criminal. It's a shame but I can understand it.That to me is one of the biggest changes in the job. Now they want you to do it all over again. All I can say is get ready for some real knock-down, drag-out confrontations. It’s going to go from a YD to “2-3 under for assault on an MOS, Central.”
mattythecopGlobal UserPosts: 963(9/29/04 15:20)Reply
Re: Oh No!!!! Not Again
With this liberal establishment I can't see this law passing.
commander12Registered UserPosts: 139(9/29/04 15:53)Reply
curfew
I saw the news report last night and they stated that many other states have similar curfews in place with no-problem. I don't think its un-constitutional, I do think its a good thing.It will give any officer on patrol the ability to stop someone who appears to be under the age of 18 and ask for ID, this might also lead to arrest for quality of life crimes.Those parents of those kids who are caught violating the curfew will also be fined, added incentive to keep your kids indoors after midnight.My thoughts.
laurnsmomRegistered UserPosts: 223(9/29/04 17:29)Reply
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I don't think its a matter of constitutionality, or liberal establishment. It's plain and simple, that the parents of the kids who are going to be out are a) not going to give a sh1t,and b) not pay the summons and Proud, you're right, here comes the fight.It may very well work in other cities or towns but I doubt it's anywhere the size or makeup of NYC. These kids have no respect for the law or any kind of authority during the day so I doubt 11:59 is going to come and all of a sudden they're going to turn into pumpkins.The kids that would obey the curfew already have one put in place....BY THEIR PARENTS; and if more parents did their job we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
ProudPDRegistered UserPosts: 1547(9/29/04 20:41)Reply
Foot Pursuit, Central
With all due respect, I can't see some of our robust officers chasing every one of these olympic dash experts through the projects for a summonsable offense. I think we would be seeing a hell of a lot of 3/4s applications.What happens in other states has absolutely nothing to do with what would happen here - New York is New York and there ain't nothing like it anywhere on the map. Don't forget, if what happened in other states mattered, we would be making a hell of a lot more money, right?I too, believe that there might be a constitutional problem. It's not as if it was being implemented under emergency conditions.
semiretiredRegistered UserPosts: 5(9/29/04 23:08)Reply
here we go again
what do you do with the 17 year old navy kid here for fleet week? do you give the ships captain the summons? or the 17 year old nyu student coming home from the movies? the dean? forget about the friday night high school football games, they might end too late. LET the parents set the curfew. they might know there kids a little better than jim oddo does.
ProudPDRegistered UserPosts: 1552(9/29/04 23:39)Reply
Notifications
You put a statement in the originating regulation that allows POs to use the same discretion every officer has when it comes to issuing any type of summons.What happened to "warned and admonished?"BTW I didn't know there were any more Friday night football games. They were all played on Saturday when I was a kid. But back then the footballs were really made out of pigskin and high school football was covered in all lthe papers. lol lol

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onemoreyearRegistered UserPosts: 106(9/30/04 11:05)Reply
Curfews
Notwithstanding issues related to Constitutionality, race politics, summons quotas, etc., I think curfews are a good idea, if the element of police discretion to enforce them is present.Why?Because in this liberal City, when the powers that be, continuously try to reduce police power, through increased scrutiny, civilian review boards, etc., anything that would increase our ability to engage the public "legally" is in our best interests and ultimately in the best interests of the communities we serve (even though many won't realize, understand or even appreciate the circumstances).

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VikingasRegistered UserPosts: 20(9/30/04 11:19)Reply Edit
Re: Notifications
Aren't there already laws covering youths being out at night?Isn't there a Dept. of Social Services in NYC?In the book "1984" children were used as a tool to exert Big Brother control over a populace.It is just another tool to collect revenue and exert control, right?Before laws were even out about giving your pets water and how long you can leave your dog out, deadbeat tenants already had made plans on making false accusations or probably even dumping my dog's water dish out to make a complaint. It would allow them to live for free at my expense longer and help the police officer's addiction to cash and confiscating assets of citizens, especially downtown citizens.There are more and more laws out to collect revenue and control the average citizen.Common Criminal Parasites that are hard to fine and to find fall through the cracks.Laws are mainly enforced to collect revenue, ie fines and taking all the stuff police can under any lame excuse.There would be less crime and less need for a standing army of cops if 'quality of life' issues were addressed by cops.Allow crime to flourish and you all have job security.Vandalism, thefts, fraud, identity theft, kid's starting to use drugs and alcohol, squeegee men, deadbeats jumping the turnstiles, etc catch those out and about with outstanding warrants and makes the quality of life better for all, improves business, and lowers taxes.The downside is you guys even try to do your jobs, you have less job security.That is why Civilian Oversight of police is needed, so that crimes and criminals are dealt with, not just honest citizens/taxpayers shaken down for their last dollar in undeclared taxes.The "War on Crime" and the "War and Drugs" is really:THE WAR ON PURSES AND WALLETS and taking and confiscating all the cash, assets, cars, and houses on any lame excuse while thumbing your noses at OUR U.S. Constitution.I think crime can be reduced by reducing the number of police and requiring them to act in the public’s best interest not the city’s, town’s, and State’s addiction to fleecing citizens out of their last dollar in declared and undeclared taxes. The addiction that the authorities have to curbing our rights and taking our cash is probably worse than a drug addict's need for crack cocaine or heroin. Crime could be further reduced by putting cameras facing inside the cruiser with audio, viewed by an independent Civilian Oversight board. Cruisers could not then be used to beat up suspects, as cheap hotel rooms, a place of making secret deals and meeting center for acting out on personal vendettas, and promoting crime and misery by using informants. (story)If a bar owner doesn’t know which cop or official to bribe, he or she should lose their business, family, and be facing up to 9 years in prison, right? (story)
Edited by: Vikingas at: 9/30/04 11:25

Whacking a beehive with a stick

… standing back and EXPECTING not to get stung.

I posted this on a pretty much cops only, NYPD Blog:

Vikingas
Registered UserPosts: 9(9/28/04 14:06)

Reply A word about TROLLS on this site

Something could be said for making this a “Cop Only” site.

Something could also be said for making those that view and respond on this site, register.

Pro Cop civilians and cops only could be attained.

But, what if:Somebody with the same genetic make-up, that makes a cop, one that could have been one of you, and someone that was wronged by one of you, and not left for dead, but is now able to shout from the mountain tops, might just end up being GROUND ZERO for a COP’S WORST NIGHTMARE:

Civilian Oversight of Police, with quality control questionnaires going out to citizens lodging complaints against officers and those requiring police protection and service.

The Civilian Board would not be a police officer cheerleading squad and could ensure top performance, an orientation to actually having goals and working towards them, to see that ethics are adhered to, and that misconduct is punished to the full extent of the law, so that fewer GOOD cops GO BAD.

If there is ever CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT of POLICE instituted nationwide, remember the name, Steven G. Erickson…

or a poster on the internet known as Vikingas …

A snapshot of dialogue, cop to cop, on this site, on any given day, would only bolster my argument for Civilian Oversight of Police.

So, do you as the rank and file of the NYPD, think that this site should be for active and retired cops only, no civilians or trolls?

Do you think this site should be a register only, view and post, site?

Thank you,

Steven G. Erickson

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JoeyTreats
Registered UserPosts: 117(9/28/04 15:08)

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Re: A word about TROLLS on this site

YOU ARE A TOOL OF THE HIGHEST ORDER . Take your meds and possibly you may get better but I doubt it, but then again maybe you will OD.

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RetBxDetRegistered UserPosts: 316(9/28/04 16:04)

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Hey Steve.........

you been hitting yourself in the ass too much.

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Airborneguy Registered UserPosts: 180(9/28/04 22:35)

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lol lol

This guy takes the cake.

Of all the people who prove it is stupid to have an open board like this, he's the best.

I have to read up on the EDP procedures again, maybe there is something in there about how to handle this!

This looks better everytime he posts:http://www.getmybb.com/mybb/index.php?mforum=NYPDTRUTH&http://www.getmybb.com/mybb/?mforum=NYPDTRUTH

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ProudPDRegistered UserPosts: 1543(9/28/04 22:39)

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ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!

There are 4 different strings about this guy already - when is everyone going to stop posting about the azzhole and just let it drop.

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RoccohibaRegistered UserPosts: 103(9/28/04 23:22)

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Viking ASS

After reading your nonsense for the past 2 days I gotta ask, one-why you chose this place to vent when your gripe is with Ct police and two- Dont you have a life?

get a hobby, get a girl, get drunk, do something that will pry you away from the computer for a while and spare you from continuing to make a total ass out of yourself.

C'mon Idiot.

have some respect for yourself and stop acting like an @#%$

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VikingasRegistered UserPosts: 14(9/28/04 23:33)

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Re: Viking ASS

I literally have a dollar in my wallet and because I am on probation for 3 years and a former inmate, job prospects are bleak.

All I have is my fight.

I had proposed Civilian Oversight of police to elected officials in Connecticut, BEFORE I had any trouble with police.

Had I not written in newspapers and proposed laws, an American right, I would not have been railroaded to prison.

The comments in various posts, NOT the four I posted in, says oversight IS needed nationwide.

My presence here has already served MY purpose.

So reposting some of your banter could be, at least partially instrumental, in my lobbying efforts to make Oversight of Police by civilians, nationwide law.

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RoccohibaRegistered UserPosts: 104(9/28/04 23:40)

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blah blah blah blah blah

YAWWWWWNNNNNNNN

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MickeyIIIRegistered UserPosts: 81(9/29/04 3:36)

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Re: ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!

PROUD, Well said, ...also check your inbox about flash gordon.

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Pete Da HeatRegistered UserPosts: 29(9/29/04 5:36)

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Re: ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!

Hey Vikingass holeI ve read some your epic drama.

and its just that ...long on drama and short on facts.

But whatever you did really has nothing to do with us. We've had a CCRB for almosy 40 years now. A few years back they were given powers to discipline POs.

Many of the people there are unskilled, untrained, and in posession of large axes that need grinding.

I ve been down there numerous times as well to IAB on force complainants. None were ever founded or substantiated.

As a cop and as a supervisor, having been thru the ringer, let me tell you it leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

Furthermore, the complaints remain in our folders FOREVER no matter the disposition.

You might be a great active cop and have collected some CCRBs along the way.

But in the politically correct, no balls, Kool Aid drinking NYPD of today you are DEAD IN THE WATER.

They have your CPI in front of them whenever you go on an interview.

Your career is on hold.

I really dont want hear about the "positive aspects" of CCRB.

So take your silly bullsh1t diatribes somewhere else.

As you might gather there is a wide spectrum of the PD people represented here.

New guys, old guys, active guys, retired guys.

Guess what...you are preaching to the wrong choir.

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VikingasRegistered UserPosts: 17(9/29/04 9:40)

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How I found your NYPD blog

I put the words "police misconduct injustice" in a search engine and then found your site.

I've obviously found what I was looking for.

My FreeSpeech.com post on Korruptikut and rogue cops is only a companion piece to exposing the sleaze, as this site does a good job of proving ALL my points.

Edited by: Vikingas at: 9/29/04 9:45

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mattythecopGlobal UserPosts: 989(9/30/04 14:50)Reply
Prosay : CCRB Investigators
The type of people that they are looking for are Menso, retguy, vikinggas, and company.
retguyRegistered UserPosts: 235(9/30/04 16:44)Reply
only if
Gloria were still alive. She was the best!!
EXBXACURegistered UserPosts: 36(9/30/04 16:49)Reply
Re:Gloria
God Bless the MIDGET!

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NYPD web blog found here:
http://p066.ezboard.com/fnypdrant64609frm1

Should a badge exempt you from a DUI, DWI, or OUI?

Cops, fire personnel, EMTs, and other officials may get off with a ticket or life altering arrest, JUST BECAUSE.


NYPD web blog:

esubuff
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another firefighter arrested (daily routine now)

ON 09/26/04, AT APPROXIMATELY 0004 HOURS, ON THE W/B GOWANUS EXPRESSWAY AT THE INTERSECTION OF HICK STREET, CONFINES OF THE 76 PRECINCT, A M/W/25 WAS ARRESTED FOR DWI.

THE SUSPECT IS A NYC FIREFIGHTER. NO INJURIES. INVESTIGATION IS ONGOING.ARRESTED: THOMAS CAPPELLI M/W/25CHARGES: DWI

Edited by: esubuff at: 9/28/04 10:38

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fdnyemt5330Registered UserPosts: 29(9/26/04 21:18)

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Re: another firefighter arrested (daily routine now)

Anybody got any green pants and white shirts I can wear to work?

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Vikingas
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Re: another firefighter arrested (daily routine now)

I thought anyone with a badge got off on that type of charge. An EMT told me a good reason to become one is fire personel, EMTs, and anyone with a badge gets a free pass on a DWI if there isn't an accident.

That special privilege must not apply in NYC

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flagg79
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vikingas

a badge means nothing...fire personel, emt's, bounty hunters, pathmark security, even janitors have "badges" .

doesnt mean a damn thing.

EMT's especially think they have a free pass with anything..thats why its always a pleasure handing them their yellow copy when there "badge" is the first thing they can fish out

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PBMN
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Even EMT's?

Sorry, I don't agree with writing EMS, they always go out of their way for us.

We work with them day in and day out, why would you write one of them unless he was REALLY disrespectful.

I just will never understand the mentality of writing MOS friends and family, EMS or FD.

Are you a safety guy per chance, or Highway?

(Before everyone starts, I know that there are good guys in both details, I have nothing against either of them.)

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Extorris
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Re: Even EMT's?

We really shouldn't throw stones, one of ours was locked up for DWI this weekend also.

19 years on.

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196881frankRegistered UserPosts: 27(9/27/04 8:50)

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Badge??

Oh about 4 decades ago we still called it a shield...and 1 decade ago we still called it a shield...

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Roccohiba
Registered UserPosts: 102(9/27/04 9:07)

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Re: Badge??

How about "tin" ?

I only heard the real dinosaurs refer to it as such

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TRANSIT4EVER
Registered UserPosts: 13(9/27/04 9:09)

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Re: Badge??

What ever happened to " TIN "

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ProudPD
Registered UserPosts: 1506(9/27/04 9:17)

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EMTs?????

I don't know why anyone would write an EMT.

Whether when they were separate or a part of FD, they were always a different breed and I always found them to be nice guys.

Okay, okay, I didn't appreciate being 10-85 to help with some 400 lb whale down a flight of stairs but that's life.

I can tell you that I know one EMT who saved about 3 PD jobs by doing the right thing and he got passed over for promotion because of it and he never shed one tear.

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NypdBlew
Registered UserPosts: 131(9/27/04 9:26)

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Re: EMTs?????

I have always respected EMT"S in fact alot more than FF's.

IMO they work harder over a course of a year, and are paid peanuts.

I must agree with proud, whenever I had called for assistance, they were always there, and quick.

Always humble, and ready to do their job.

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civilservant
Registered UserPosts: 325(9/27/04 10:14)
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How many Cops have been DWI'd this year?

Where are the statistics for us , the press is giving these guys what we have gotten in the past, and it is the NY Post in particularly hitting them hard.

My insight is the Ruppert Murdock and Bloomberg are friends and Bloomy is telling him everything to discredit the Firemen because of the recent heckling he has gotten from them, of course their deportment has been less than stellar lately so the press is really putting them in their place.

People of the City of New York to its Cops and Firemen: Put your hats on and be the Servants we expect you to be!!!!!!

With over 35000 Cops there has to be atleast 100 DWI's logged every year for the PD, but for what ever reason even Officer involved shootings are on the later pages of the Papers, a couple years ago everything a Cop did was Headlines, Smelly Kelly and Paul Brown must really be washing some serious Ball Bags in the Press, Ray's son works for FNC which is owned by Murdock to so maybe this is the press connection.

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FDNYFOREVER
Registered UserPosts: 54(9/27/04 10:52)

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another firefighter arrested (daily routine now)

ESUBUFF you're as bad as the PRESS if you're going to report the news GET IT RIGHT !!

A Firefighter and a Cop were arrested for DWI last night.

You are will be forever a TOOL

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commander12Registered UserPosts: 125(9/27/04 11:12)

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FDNY got it right

Actually there was a Firefighter and a cop arrested for DWI and in addition a NYC school teacher was arrested on cocaine charges.

The NYC school system has it worse among all city agencies - there teachers, custodians and office personell have had record number of arrest in the past several years, mostly for drugs.

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mattythecopGlobal UserPosts: 927(9/27/04 13:00)

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don't throw stones

Actually in the last two instances when a FF was collared for DWI a cop was collared the same day.

The last cop collared was done so because he was in an accident and the cops on the scene had no choice.

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Highway Chaz
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The TIN

I had an old timer tell me many years ago, just show em the Potsie and its on the arm.

Or i also heard it's on the potsie, any old timers wanna clarify this one, im not gonna comment on the DWI crap it is getting boring....

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dinosaur
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Re: The TIN

You're probably too young to remember the comic strip "Potsie".

It was about a M.O.P.

I think he did ride once in awhile though.

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EXBXACURegistered UserPosts: 34(9/27/04 20:18)

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Re: The TIN

It was in reference to the comic strip character of the same name,it ran until the mid 60's.

Potsie was a cartoon about a typical beat cop of that era.

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civilservant
Registered UserPosts: 328(9/27/04 23:47)

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The Hersey Wrapper

Thats an old school Term, because of the foiled paper around a Hersey Bar you could make a shield from that.

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ProudPDRegistered UserPosts: 1529(9/28/04 0:08)

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You're a Pottsey

civilservant:Someone should wrap you in foil paper.

The term came from the comic strip which was written by Jay Irving.

Jay use to come to the Shomrim meetings all the time because he loved the idea of a Jewish cop, and many of the old timers have drawings of themselves done by him at the meetings. They might be worth something today.

For whatever reason he named the cop after the silver metal object kids used in the game potsy.

Jay's son, Clifford (?), became infamous when he tried to peddle what he called an authorized biography of Howard Hughes. He ended up getting indicted and I think he did some time.

Fortunately his father had died by that time so he avoided a tremendous embarassment. Jay was one of the nicest guys you could ever meet. A really gentle easygoing individual who genuinely loved a cop.

Just a kind, old man. Reminded me of my grandfather. Yes, he got a lot of his stories from cops themselves.

He also had a love of the Honor Legion and all the "true heroes of the city."May he rest in peace.

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civilservant
Registered UserPosts: 329(9/28/04 9:24)

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Thanks for the History Proud but...
I have still heard Cops of my fathers era call their shield the Hersey Wrapper, such as "I showed him the Hersey Wrapper and got my kids on the Cyclone for free" My Dad was a Patrolmen from 1948 to 1980 he probably saw the Job at its best.

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Vikingas
Registered UserPosts: 6(9/28/04 11:27)

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Nailing an EMT for DUI, DWI, or OUI

An EMT told me the reason EMTs don’t get tickets or DUIs is that unless they have made some real enemies or are really blatant and public with an offense, they will get off Scott Free.

The reason I was told is that if an EMT feels he/she was wrongly ruined, they will give the other EMTs the officer’s name.If the officer is ever shot, stabbed, or injured, maybe an EMT would drive extra slow, or give lip service, not lifesaving.

"Stitch yourself up a**hole," -an EMT buddy

or here is another EMT line they like to recite to each other, "You've lost a lot of blood, I think you're going to die. Remember ____________, well you, F'd up, Jack*ss"

The same goes with fire personnel, piss them off and whatever you own would not conform to fire codes, and you could get extra slow service if you need them, or then again, lip service.

I know certain addresses are on lists to be allowed to just burn to the ground, if they are drug houses or a business or residence that is not so popular with town hall.

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squad co
Registered UserPosts: 48(9/28/04 12:26)

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Re: Nailing an EMT for DUI, DWI, or OUI

Isn't OUI that girlie mag from the 60's and early 70's?

Take your meds nutjob.

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Vikingas
Registered UserPosts: 7(9/28/04 12:57)

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OUI

O * U * I

Don't you have a charge, OUI, in NYC?

Operating Under the Influence (of drugs)

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I used to be a 100% advocate of police. None could do any wrong.

I always considered becoming a cop myself.

I did everything in my life, so as, the option would always be open.

If police officers think that it is ok to rape, rob, beat, and murder with immunity, I take exception to that.

If officers are willing to look the other way, silence witness, and back each other, no matter what, that is just plain wrong.

There would be almost no opposition to anything you guys do, if you weren't so willing to cover for each other, no matter what.

I understand the brotherhood, brothers in arms, and us against them mentality, but most of you have common sense ... at least that would be the expectation.

A White Connecticut Officer stood on the back of an African American suspect and pulled his piece and shot through the suspect's back.

A Willington, CT, pizza restaurant is a big hangout for Troop C, Connecticut State Police, and I was a table away sitting with a C.I. that I was dating at the time, and overheard how upset officers were that a 'good' officer, Scott S., had to lose his job over the incident of shooting the suspect as he stood on the back.

If I get upset about stuff like that, and if you don't, who is the whacko?

P.S.
If you don't like my posts here on your blog, I'm sure members of Troop C, Connecticut State Police, Tolland, CT, would be more than willing to pitch in for a rope, and be witnesses to my 'suicide' AFTER the fact.

There (oops, their) main # is 860-896-3200

I know that number by heart.

Whenever I called in as vandals were destroying my property, teens were selling drugs out of lawn chairs off my front lawn, or if I was beaten with a 2x4 with a nail in it when I tried to make use of my own yard I was paying taxes on, I could expect to hear excuses why I wouldn't get service, get threated and yelled at over a recorded line, or if I wanted to be woken up in the middle of the night by Troopers banging on my door with their flashlights and night clubs, chanting, "Oh Stevie, oh Stevie, oh Stevie ..."

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ProudPD
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What did I say?

This is why I said not to respond to this friggin psycho.

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Vikingas
Registered UserPosts: 8(9/28/04 13:33)

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P.S.

The Connecticut Officer, Scott S., got a year suspended sentence upon Appeal, for murder.

Not bad, huh?

The new State Police Commissioner in Korruptikut, seems to be answering my email to him, line item, in this post:(HERE)

I emailed him and carbon copied newspaper reporters.I was on the phone to an aid to the new Governor of CT, and top legislators regarding the former police commissioner, asking that he be FIRED in the days that led up to his being asked to resign.

If you put his name in a yahoo search engine, the crap I wrote about him demoting women in the State Police ranks because they were women, falsifying records saying he was working when he was golfing, the unexplained inconsistencies in the use of Homeland Security funds, and his apparent cover up of the crimes of his chief of staff for theft and fraud, in which his top man was arrested for.

I called Fox News everyday for a matter of months in 2003, and emailed the O'Reilly Factor everyday and then quit when this piece aired on the O'Reilly Factor Talking Points in mid December, 2003:

The Death of Shame in America
(in this piece O'Reilly asks the Connecticut people to march on Hartford and demand Governor John G. Rowland resign.)

My number one goal in life after my downfall was to take down the sitting Governor, his lackey State Police Commissioner, and the Judge that took his instructions to send me up the river from the a former judge, a now former police commissioner, as Gov. Rell asked him to resign.

I wanted to make sure they were all disgraced, taken out of their positions, and then sent to Federal Prison.

I am one for three in the take down.

Number 2 might be on his way.

And, as long as I draw a breath, number 3 will be on my sh*tlist.

I will live as a Big Mouth, and die as a Big Mouth.

Some hope sooner, then later.

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Airborneguy
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Question

Is the problem that anyone can post without limit, or is it that these other jurisdictions do not have their own boards for these people to piss and moan on?

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VikingasRegistered UserPosts: 10(9/28/04 14:23)

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Re: Question


I expand on your above theme on a post that stands on its own:

A word about TROLLS on this site

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RetBxDetRegistered UserPosts: 318(9/28/04 16:25)

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1 more Qeustion..............

I assume VikingASS doesn't care to respond to the bio that was submitted about his "past".

If what was said about this person is true then he is truly not only a "tool" but should be considered a "dead man walking".

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esubuff Registered UserPosts: 12(9/28/04 16:48)

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firefighter DWI (stress on the job from 9/11)

back to the point how many firefighters where arrested this year for DWI (stress from 9/11 <3>)

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fdnyemt5330Registered UserPosts: 31(9/28/04 18:37)

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Re: firefighter DWI (stress on the job from 9/11)

boy, the point of that joke went right past everyone.

or maybe we were distracted by viking gas.

i have never shown my shield, or asked for special favors. if i get let go, i get let go. if i get a ticket, i get a ticket.

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FDNYFOREVERRegistered UserPosts: 55(9/28/04 19:08)

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firefighter DWI (stress on the job from 9/11)

esubuff what is your point tool !!!!

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rogueangel007Registered UserPosts: 16(9/28/04 19:23)

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i have never shown my shield, or asked for special favors.

UMMMM, Yeah okay?

Choice, mover w/ points.....Ins goes upFlash a shield, seek courtesy, and perhaps get some...No mover, no points, no insurance raise.

No brainer here. Nothing to lose except maybe eat a little crow.

Sorry but I don't buy the self serving note, "i have never shown my shield, or asked for special favors"NEVER SAY NEVER!!!!

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fdnyemt5330Registered UserPosts: 33(9/28/04 21:52)

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Re: i have never shown my shield, or asked for special favo

i seek courtesy by acting in a courteous manner.

if i think the officer is wrong in writing the citation, four words:

" Not guilty, your honor." no brainer also.

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fdnyemt5330Registered UserPosts: 34(9/28/04 22:03)

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Re: i have never shown my shield, or asked for special favo


a case in point: A while ago i was in uniform, driving home from work. it was 2 am and i turned right at an intersection aginst the light.

an unmarked saw me and pulled me over. as the officers approached i had my license and registration in my hand, just like anyone else. the conversation went as follows:

OFFICER: EMS huh,?

ME: Yes. ( fully expecting to get a ticket).

OFFICER: You know you went right that light, right.

ME (somewhat sheepishly) yeah.

OFFICER: OK goodnight.

You'll notice that nowhere in there did I ask anyone any favors. If i had been cited I would have taken it and paid it (after all he was right, I did go through that light.)

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esubuff Registered UserPosts: 13(9/28/04 22:33)Reply
the point is*******
FDNYFOREVER obviously u got the point..p.s. watch those chairs in the fire house.
Edited by: esubuff at: 9/28/04 22:37

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rogueangel007Registered UserPosts: 17(9/29/04 9:25)

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a case in point: A while ago i was in uniform

This is a moot point. The reason you were given a courtesy was BECAUSE you were in uniform.

Albeit you were returning from work, that is not the issue, the clothing (uniform) is what brought the courtesy brought on by a self admitted traffic infraction.
If the scenario were changed, and you were NOT wearing the uniform, you can stand there and say you would not ID yourself, eat a little crow, and apologize for a committed (self confessed above) infraction that WAS viewed by the RMP, unmarked etc?Yeah, and all your tax deductions are legit, you NEVER sped anywhere in your own vehicle, never looked at another girl other than your wife/girlfriend, etc.Please drop the "Holier Than Though" act.It is an uncommon trait, never to be found from members of ANY LE service, or one that carries a shield, when caught in a situaution (violation) that may constitute a gift of courtesy.You have my respect for the tedious, thankless job you perform. And by experience I have dealt with EMT's on a personal, private level, and have them to thank for the outcome.Just don't blow smoke up my a$$.Be safe!!

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FDNYFOREVERRegistered UserPosts: 56(9/29/04 9:27)Reply
the point is*******
ANOTHER TOOL WITH A GRUDGE I'll see you at the next pin job fool

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Police think I am an Enemy of the State and should be burned at the stake, here:

http://www.freespeech.com/index.php?/S=3fcf8b07c6cb2cdd1305623da7c0528e61c704b9/weblog/comments/3425/

VIKINGAS - Another cop bashing civilian

VIKINGAS - Another cop bashing civilian
XVIIRegistered UserPosts: 45(9/27/04 6:13)Reply
Ignore This loser . Re : See Connecticut cops make all cops look bad.
Edited by: XVII at: 9/27/04 6:17
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Re: VIKINGAS - Another cop bashing civilian
RoccohibaRegistered UserPosts: 101(9/27/04 7:27)Reply
Sounds like another freak from the copssuck site
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Re: VIKINGAS - Another cop bashing civilian
onemoreyearRegistered UserPosts: 96(9/27/04 8:23)Reply
We may have a problem if the left-wing, cop bashers begin circulating this web site around. They'll get on here and begin their BS and harassment and change this website as we know it!
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BYE BYE AZZHOLES
ProudPDRegistered UserPosts: 1509(9/27/04 9:51)Reply
You could be right but one way to make sure we are not deluged with this type of crap is not to respond.They come on - they post their sh1t - no one responds and away they go. Very simple.
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Re: BYE BYE AZZHOLES
onemoreyearRegistered UserPosts: 99(9/27/04 14:48)Reply
You are right. I will heed that advice.

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Airborneguy Registered UserPosts: 177(9/27/04 21:41)

Reply this is why

this is why I thought that failed site, NYPD TRUTH was worth it. The admin can block anyone and only allow registered users to access the site and see certain parts of it. I still check it everyone in awhile to see if anyone has posted. Anyone can see this, and as evidenced by this and in the past, tons of people drop by to say "hi"...Here's the

link:http://www.getmybb.com/mybb/index.php?mforum=NYPDTRUTH&http://www.getmybb.com/mybb/?mforum=NYPDTRUTH

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XVIIRegistered UserPosts: 46(9/28/04 15:13)Reply
Re: this is why
CAN WE PLEASE IGNORE THIS IDIOT!!!??? CAN'T HE BE EXPELLED FROM THE SITE??


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mattythecopGlobal UserPosts: 949(9/28/04 16:06)Reply
Re: VIKINGAS - Another cop bashing civilian
Someone please nudge Polecat ,lol. That other temporary moderator took 20 days to answer an email .

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VikingasRegistered UserPosts: 11(9/28/04 16:07)

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Re: this is why

No, I wouldn’t want to belong to any club that would have me as a member.

Ha, ha.

No, seriously, I have gotten what I want, as you all have proven my point.

Check out what is posted on FreeSpeech.com tomorrow after 6 AM. Then we’ll see how angry the bees are after I whacked their nest with a broom handle.

I am a former landlord and was banned from mrlandlord.com by police officers that were also posters on that site. I was ranting along the same lines.

Mrlandlord.com get hits in the 10’s of millions a year.

I posted about an Enfield Connecticut landlord’s plight which was equivalent to mine.

He also had proposed Civilian Oversight of Police in open town meetings, also planed on suing police for 14th Amendment and civil rights violations, AND also had gotten mouthy to newspaper reporters regarding police refusing to service and protect downtown residents, and ESPECIALLY landlords.

An Enfield PD officer’s 16 year old girlfriend attacked Donny C. on his property and only Donny was facing a year and a half in prison no deals, for getting yelled at and smacked in the back of his head and back. I was facing a year and a half, no deals.

My injuries were to my back and back of my head, too, for which I was also arrested on my property.

I posted Donny’s story on Mrlandlord.com and 100’s of letters poured into the Enfield Superior Court, and State Senators, media, and 100’s of calls went into the Enfield Police Department asking what the heck they were doing to productive honest citizens, while ignoring crime, and collecting as much revenue from taxpayers as possible.

I also posted how the Enfield PD was sent out to doors collecting overdue library fines!!!If that doesn’t say it all, nothing does.I was attacked on my property by a Connecticut State Police informant after he left threatening messages on my voicemail that he was going to hurt me when I got home which he did. He kept my neighbors and tenants up many nights, pounding on my door well after midnight telling he would cut off my (male anatomy) if he caught me out in MY yard.

He told my tenants he was going to kill me when I got home at 1 PM and I came home at 11:30 PM. Connecticut State Troopers refused to take that statement, that of other witnesses, and from me, choosing to tell them and me to shut up, and then arrest just me.

For getting pummeled after I got out of my vehicle in my dark driveway, Connecticut State Troopers were right there to arrest me, and then commit perjury to get me sent to prison. I had no previous record and wasn’t even given the program for 1st time offenders, if I was really guilty of overreacting to being beaten during a robbery attempt.

I lost my dog, daughter, credit, 100,000 points on my Amex that I was going to take my daughter to Paris with, my contacting business of 22 years, my ability to leave the state, hunt, own firearms, own a home, my retirement, investment property that I had fixed up from a boarded up condition, properties I toiled over 5 years spending $50,000 of my father’s and 100’s of thousands of my money making luxury living, and the sum total of all I had ever dreamed of, worked for, and had.

I worked my entire life to attain the $500,000 in real estate.ALL GONE.For WHAT??!!!Complaining in newspapers how I couldn’t stand drugs being sold off my front yard, drunk teens smashing and taking everything they could 24 hours a day, and exposing the fact that prostitutes as young as 14 were doing tricks openly all over Stafford Springs, Connecticut.Seeing children’s heads bob up and down in cars made me so angry I could vomit.

Complain to Connecticut State Police about the underage prostitutes high on ecstasy that were stripping in a back parking lot and they came quicker than ever before (except to lie in ambush to arrest me) not to do anything, but just to ogle. Before, I got arrest there were failed attempts to take me down.

A retired Enfield dog officer kept flooding my Somersville, CT, 2 family basement with sewage. I narrowly escaped prison for not being able to clean up his messes fast enough.I then found out a woman on probation was told to make a false statement against me regarding sexual assault. She refused because, it never happened, and she went to prison, losing any chance of having her two kids live and be with her.

Simply awful that humans can be so sleazy and lacking in morals, Connecticut State Police, no less.

I now have absolutely nothing to lose except what little freedom I have and my life.I can’t even get a job bagging groceries or loading boxes on a tractor trailer 3rd shift.

Before I would get any job I applied for and was offered cushy salaried positions, ALL DRIED up because I couldn’t make it, dog tired, to the inside of my home, take a shower, and go to bed.You might ban me here, but as long as I have at least one finger to type with, a voice, and a pulse, I absolutely won’t shut up, nor go away.How do you like me now?

-Steven G. Erickson

P.S. I don’t have a beef with the NYC PD, and now have one more place I probably can’t safely live, I have a beef with bad police policies, and the officers that were willing to deprive me of sleep day after day, allow kids to become worse and worse criminals until they were either dead, drug and alcohol addicted, or doing long prison sentences.

You only prove my point 10,000 fold by not, even a little bit, considering what I have to say and not empathizing with me to even the smallest degree.You are saying it isn’t an aberration, it is an across the board, FLAWED Policy.Priests can’t police themselves without little boys being molested.

Police can’t police themselves without making the U.S. Constitution a worthless rag or have the same meaning in American’s lives as Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy.

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SecondGenBLUE
Registered UserPosts: 1(9/28/04 15:48)

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A little bit about "VIKINGAS"(Steven G. Erickson)

-Back in 1994, Mr. Erickson (VIKINGAS), a white male, decided to become a slumlord and bid on some HUD housing in CT

-Not only did he buy the property, but the dumba*s decided to move his family into the drug/crime ridden neighborhood thinking he could make a "difference"

-Moved into an area that would be comparable to a middle class white guy living in the confines of the 73 pct.

-He ignored warnings from the local skells to leave the area or else something bad will happen

-Had several domestic incidents with his wife that would have required DIRs in NYC-This FOOL tried to take the law into his own hands and preceded to try and beat up a 6'4 300lb drug dealer.

-Needless to say, VIKINGAS got his VIKINGAS handed to him

-Not only that, he interfered with a police investigation that was ongoing concerning the crime in the area....meanwhile, this fool accused the cops of not doing anything about the crime not knowing the ongoing sting operation (in which he ruined 2 years of police work by going after the drug dealers himself)

-Now he pissed everyone off, including the locals in which one chased him around the hood with a gun..YOU GO BOY!

-The police advised him to leave town for his own safety

-Steven G. Erickson(VIKINGAS) ingored the warning and preced to continue to take the law into his own hands by assaulting a known police informant who was being observed by the police at the time of the assault because the informant was about to take part in a buy/bust operation

-VIKINGAS went to JAIL for assault, and lost everything, including his Russian Whore wife who left him for someone else because she was sick and tired of being abused by him and being in such a shitty neighborhood**********************************************So here you go, a little biography on who we're dealing with here.

A disgruntled a*shole who lost everything because he was stupid enough to move his white a*s into a warzone, and then preceded to chastise the police about the job their doing, and took the law into his own hands which is ILLEGAL and paid the price.

Sounds like a bitter as*hole that has nothing better to do than blame other people for his problems. Go back to Russia and find a new wife, and for gods sake, stay out of the bad neighborhood you fu*cking idiot.

Stop blaming the police for your problems, you're starting to sound like the people you lived with before you got your VIKINGAS handed to you.

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squad co
Registered UserPosts: 54(9/28/04 15:50)

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Best line of the year

-Needless to say, VIKINGAS got his VIKINGAS handed to him

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SecondGenBLUE
Registered UserPosts: 2(9/28/04 15:53)

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Re: Best line of the year

LMAO! Didn't realize it was that good until a read over it. Thanks.......

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commander12
Registered UserPosts: 133(9/28/04 15:54)

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2nd gen blue

you have never posted here before and low and behold you come out with such an accurate and down to the point story about vakingas.....Wonder Why ?

Can anyone guess what Im thinking?

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Edited by: commander12 at: 9/28/04 15:54

SecondGenBLUE
Registered UserPosts: 3(9/28/04 15:57)

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Re: 2nd gen blue

Actually, have posted on here before, lost my SN/Password...

Had to re-register b/c you can't have 2 names under 1 email adress.

Plus, I stopped posting a while ago, but when I saw this shmuck spew his garbage, it made me do some research to find out who he is.

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retguyRegistered UserPosts: 213(9/28/04 16:05)Reply
commander12
im ascared to imagine what youre thinking after your post analyzing the ramblings of stevie g, aka vikingass i thought you completely exhuasted yourself and wouldnt be posting for quite some time. the humor of your post wasnt lost - i laughed until a coughing fit almost killed me. thank you.

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VikingasRegistered UserPosts: 10(9/28/04 14:23)Reply Edit
Re: Question
I expand on your above theme on a post that stands on its own:A word about TROLLS on this site
RetBxDetRegistered UserPosts: 318(9/28/04 16:25)Reply
1 more Qeustion..............
I assume VikingASS doesn't care to respond to the bio that was submitted about his "past". If what was said about this person is true then he is truly not only a "tool" but should be considered a "dead man walking".

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Writing your U.S. Congressman:

http://starkravingviking.blogspot.com/2004/09/writing-your-us-congressman.html